For those who don't believe, or stopped believing in that, there is a difference from those who will live in heaven and those who will live on earth. Please do the research, maybe start by truly trying to understand the following scripture and what the New Covenant stands for...
Matthew 11:11 ~ Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not arisen a greater than John the Baptist: yet he that is but little in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.Matthew 25:32, 33, 46 ~ But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all the nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats; and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life. ~ ASV
Isaiah 66:23 ~ And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith Jehovah.
The Goats:
The self righteous ones. (Ecclesiastes 5:1, James 1:23, 24)
Without Love, you have nothing. (1 Corinthians 13:1-3)
Those who exalt themselves. (Luke 18:9-14)
Those whom need to prove themselves more intellectual. (Matthew 11:25)
The hypocrites. (Matthew 23:13)
The Sheep:
The Beatitudes ~ The meek to inherit the earth. (Matthew 5:5)
Those with hope, the meek, the blessed, the righteous. (Psalm 37:9, 11, 22, 29) They shall possess it forever. (Isaiah 34:17; 60:21) Chosen to inherit/servants to dwell on the earth. (Isaiah 65:9) Captives to take possession of the land. (Jeremiah 30:3)
The other sheep. (John 10:16) The great multitude. (Revelation 7:9, 10)
Not a hearer, but a doer of the word. (James 1:25)
Tabernacle spread OVER them and GUIDED to the Springs of water. Revelation 7:15, 17
Going back to the debate I watched, I agree with both views, let me explain how...
First, I believe in a universalist view of mankind before the 1000 year reign and the New Earth. The New Heaven began to take place with the arrival of Jesus Christ. The gospels, in particular John 1. This war is a spiritual war. (Ephesians 6:12) If man is destroyed during Armageddon, he will be resurrected. These will be separated by sheep/goats.
All mankind will have a chance to live under Christ' rule without the influence of Satan, that's justice. Some will be sheep...the great multitude, the righteous, and the others will be goats...the unrighteous.
For the righteous...
Revelation 7:15, 17 ~"and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle OVER them"
"the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall be their shepherd, and shall GUIDE them unto fountains of waters of life." ~ ASV
The tabernacle will be OVER the sheep and they will be GUIDED to the fountains of water. This tells me the righteous will not be in, but under the physical heavens and they have yet to arrive, because they will be guided to the waters of life.
Revelation 21:7 ~ He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Unless these are anointed, they have no way of knowing truly what it means to be baptized in Christ' death. I have not met anyone yet, although I've met some who claim to be anointed, and many who claim to be born again, who understands this the same as I do. Not to say they don't understand it, just that, it's not the same as I do.
You have many who are called, but few who are chosen. Having the calling does not guarantee you will be chosen. (Matthew 22:14) The unwanted guest in Matthew 22:13 brings me to Psalm 69:4 handing over what wasn't stolen and the evil slave Matthew 24:51.
We do not know who the lawless one is that is referred to in 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12, but we do know it's an unclean spirit. That is why we pray for all mankind, because we cannot discern the difference. Jesus Christ will discern that at the time of his coming.
Revelation 16:13, 14 ~ And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, as it were frogs:
for they are spirits of demons, working signs; which go forth unto the kings of the whole world, to gather them together unto the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.
Which brings me to...
Ephesians 6:12 ~ For our wrestling is "NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD," but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
It's a spiritual war. One that I personally continue to battle with God's help. I've already explained to some that I was aware of the antichrist, spiritually.
1 Corinthians 12:1-4 ~ Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that when ye were Gentiles ye were led away unto those dumb idols, howsoever ye might be led. Wherefore I make known unto you, that no man speaking in the Spirit of God saith, Jesus is anathema; and no man can say, Jesus is Lord, but in the Holy Spirit. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. ~ ASV
Not something that can be explained. I've also known of Christ's presence since the Spring of 2019. It took time for me to discern the difference between the antichrist and Jesus Christ.
Jehovah has taught me well and many things have become clear. But there is much I still do not know. It is God's timing, not mine.
Also, we have...
2 Corinthians 12:1-4 ~ I must needs glory, though it is not expedient; but I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not; God knoweth), such a one caught up even to the third heaven. And I know such a man (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not; God knoweth), how that he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." ~ ASV
"Which it is not lawful for a man to utter." This would be "blasphemy" against the spirit and again brings me back to Psalm 69:4.
No one truly understands these scriptures. Many say it pertains to Apostle Paul, but never explain how. It does not pertain to Apostle Paul. I understand this scripture. One of the first I came to understand when I first returned.
See blog post: Prodigal Daughter ~ The Great Awakening
Another scripture very familiar to me...For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no man understandeth; but in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
I was told by Elders of the JW organization, that I as wrong, but instead of using scripture to prove me wrong, they used the false teachings of the Watchtower. The Watchtower indeed is their Bible, as it trumps and takes precedence over the Holy Scriptures. They have made the organization equal to God. One can't speak of Jehovah separately from the organization or you get persecuted. To JW's, it's one and the same, just like the calf was Jehovah, back in the day of the Israelites. Sadly, they don't see it, but the JW Organization is their false god, their idol.
I was told by JW elder that the following scriptures are fulfilled. The Joel prophecy was fulfilled back in the days of Pentecost and would not happen today. The other scripture in Daniel is apparently being fulfilled by JW's, as told to me by the wife of another elder.
They couldn't be more wrong...
Joel 2:28, 29 ~ And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: and also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my Spirit.
Daniel 12:4 ~ But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Either one believes in the Bible, or they say that they do, but really don't...they believe man instead.
1 Timothy 4:1 ~ But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons.
Ephesians 5:6 ~ Let no man deceive you with empty words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the sons of disobedience.
As shared with me by a fellow believer and companion..."We need to test the 'divine revelations' we receive to see if they concur with the written word, which needs to grow in us by Jehovah's spirit of truth."
Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.